SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA - DECEMBER 04: A view of WIRED's Science Fair during WIRED's The Big Interview 2025 at The Midway SF on December 04, 2025 in San Francisco, California. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images for Wired)

SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA - DECEMBER 04: A view of WIRED's Science Fair during WIRED's The Big Interview 2025 at The Midway SF on December 04, 2025 in San Francisco, California. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images for Wired)

SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA - DECEMBER 04: A view of WIRED's Science Fair during WIRED's The Big Interview 2025 at The Midway SF on December 04, 2025 in San Francisco, California. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images for Wired)

SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA - DECEMBER 04: A view of WIRED's Science Fair during WIRED's The Big Interview 2025 at The Midway SF on December 04, 2025 in San Francisco, California. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images for Wired)

SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA - DECEMBER 04: A view of WIRED's Science Fair during WIRED's The Big Interview 2025 at The Midway SF on December 04, 2025 in San Francisco, California. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images for Wired)

SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA - DECEMBER 04: A view of WIRED's Science Fair during WIRED's The Big Interview 2025 at The Midway SF on December 04, 2025 in San Francisco, California. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images for Wired)

SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA - DECEMBER 04: A view of WIRED's Science Fair during WIRED's The Big Interview 2025 at The Midway SF on December 04, 2025 in San Francisco, California. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images for Wired)

SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA - DECEMBER 04: A view of WIRED's Science Fair during WIRED's The Big Interview 2025 at The Midway SF on December 04, 2025 in San Francisco, California. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images for Wired)